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November 9, 2010 / Mick

Jet contrails from some angles look like missile trails


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UPDATEAfter geting a new photo of the trail, Liam Bahneman told me he was now siding with it being his second choice, UPS902.  Having reviewed the evidence, I fully agree that UPS902 is a much better fit than AWE808, especially when viewed against the composite photo.

UPS902 Turns out to be a much better fit

Note to the media – since this was almost certainly Flight UPS902 from Hawaii to Ontario, why not have a camera crew somewhere in the vicinity (does not need to be exact, or a chopper), next time the flight is scheduled to go by, and if the weather is right you’ll see the same trail again. (or check the web cam)

Note to everyone else – If you have photos of the Nov 8 contrail from any angle, please email them to uncinus@gmail.com

[This post was originally from Jan 19th, 2010.  I’ve updated it with information about the “Mystery Missile” contrail of Nov 8, 2010, at the bottom of this post.  Clearly it’s the same thing]

An interesting contrail cropped up off the coast of San Clemente, Orange County, California on December 31st 2009. The curious shape led some people to think it’s a missile launch, which it does kind of look like (all taken from San Clemente)

"Missile-like" contrail. Note this is the Dec 31st contrail, not the Nov 8th CBS one. That's at the bottom of the post.

This kind of contrail confusion is nothing new. This article appeared in The San Mateo Times, Jan 12, 1950:

Here’s some more shots of the same contrail. Click these for larger images:

The idea that it’s a missile launch comes from three misconceptions. Firstly that the trail is vertical – it’s not, it’s a horizontal trail, at around 32,000 feet (about six miles). It’s the same as this:

This contrail is no more vertical than the road is, and nor are the power lines at 45 degrees. Everything is horizontal – it’s the just the angle you are viewing it from. All of these show horizontal contrails.

Secondly there’s the misconception of direction, that it’s flying away from the viewer, when it’s actually flying towards the viewer. This is because the “base” of the contrail seems wider than the tip. Perspective tells the brain that this mean the base is closer. But actually you can see the base has been greatly spread by the wind. Since it’s so far away the effects of perspective are greatly diminished, meaning the actual width of the contrail is what is creating the illusion. Imagine if a plane with a 100 mile long spreading contrail were coming towards you; what would it look like? It would look exactly like this.

Thirdly there’s the idea that it goes all the way down to the ground. Now that might be true if the Earth was flat, but the Earth is round, and things go beneath the horizon eventually, no matter how high they are. A plane 200 miles away but five miles up is always below the horizon. If the horizon is raised (as it is here, with Catalina Island), then the distance is less. Here’s some math:

This diagram is not to scale, but the math is the same regardless. The solid curved line is the surface of the earth. The dot at the top is San Clemente. The little triangle is Catalina. “d” is the distance to Catalina (d=35 miles). “c” the amount of Catalina that is visible above the horizon (c=0.05 miles, really a bit more, but let’s be conservative). “a” is the altitude of the plane, (a = 6 miles). “r” is the radius of the earth (r=3963 miles).

The green wavy line is the contrail. Notice it’s at a fixed height above the surface of the earth, and is going directly towards the OC.

The point labeled (0,0) is the center of the earth. (0,0) means X=0, Y=0, where X is horizontal and Y is vertical. What we want to know is how far away the plane is, the value x. We do this with cartesian geometry, noting that the lowest visible point of the trail is at the intersection of the dotted line, which is a circle of radius (r+a), hence the equation x^2 + y^2 = (r+a)^2 and the line labeled “sight line”, which is has the equation y=r+x*c/d. Combining these equations to solve for x yields a quadratic equation, which we can solve with Wolfram Alpha:

intersection of (y=r+x*c/d) and (x^2+y^2 = (r+a)^2)

and with the real numbers:

intersection of (y=r+x*c/d) and (x^2+y^2 = (r+a)^2) where a=6 and d=35 and c=0.05 and r=3963

Which gives x = 212, meaning that the bottom of the contrail is around 200 miles away. So if the front of the contrail (the actual aircraft) is somewhere above and behind catalina, then that means the contrail is over 100 miles long. At 500 mph, that means it could have formed in 12-15 minutes, which seems consistent with the descriptions in the discussion above. (feel free to play around with the numbers there to see the affect of various assumptions)

Looking at the satellite image for noon on that day (12/31/2009) and the next day (1/1/2010), we see contrails in approximately the same position, and around 100 miles long, showing it’s quite possible, given the right weather.

Really what makes this odd looking is the position of the people taking the photo. Obviously the same contrail would be visible all the way up the coast, however the only people who though it was really odd were those who were lined up with it, in OC. People in LA would see a dramatic looking contrail, but more obviously just a contrail, so less worthy of writing to the newspaper about. I actually saw it myself, but was in a car, and could only get a poor cell-phone snapshot:

A cell-phone photo I took of the New Year Eve contrail, from an angle that shows it's just a jet contrail

That was from somewhere around San Diamas, on the 210 freeway, so I’m looking South West, probably around 45 degree the the contrail, which you can only see a bit of behind the Home Depot sign. It looked quite impressive at the time.  But  there are other photos of it from various other angles which show it’s contrail-ness more clearly, here’s one taken from Santa Monica (click photo for original):

The actual New Years Eve contrail, viewed from Santa Monica. This is what the CBS "missile" contrail would have looked like to most people in LA, which is why nobody reported it.

You can see from this angle (and taken a bit earlier) it looks far less interesting, as it’s very apparent it’s just a contrail.

Scott Methvin sent in these two images which shows the contrail in all it’s missile-like glory, but from a better angle.

The Dec 31st contrail, from Laguna Beach

Same contrail slightly later.

Here’s another angle of the New Year’s Eve contrail, this view is from Corona del Mar, about 20 miles Northeast of San Clemente:

Another angle on the New Years Eve contrail. See, it's all about perspective.

Here’s a similar photo (of a different contrail, obviously) on the same day at the other side of the country:

Not a missile launch.

Here’s some more contrails at sunset (From a very nice set of contrail photos), note how they look exactly the same as sections of the New Year contrail:

Obviously not missiles. But look at sections of the trails.

Not a missile launch, in Michigan.

[Update Nov 9 2010]

Now here’s the one everyone is actually talking about.  From Monday Nov 8th 2010, this time it video taken a local CBS news crew in a helicopter, so they were able to zoom in.

Jet contrail, misidentified as a missile launch, again.

Note it’s pretty much in the same location. Note also it’s not exactly moving at missile speed.  Note also it’s practically identical to the photos of plane contrails, above.

Same as last time, maybe even the same scheduled flight.

And once again millions of people failed to notice, because from any other angle it looked like what it was, a contrail, from a plane.  Must be a slow news day, as this went all the way up to Jim Miklaszewski asking people at the pentagon about it.

There are occasional flashes of light, which I think are reflections of the sun off a flat surface on the plane.  There’s also portions of the video where a bit of the trail behind the plane seems to glow.  I think thats just the last rays of the setting sun lighting that portion of the trail. See Scott Methvin’s photos, above for how the trail can be oddly lit from minute to minute.

Here’s a better video. You can see after about 0:50 it’s out of the contrail-persisting region of air, and is just leaving a short contrail. It’s also now out of the sun. It looks exactly like the short contrails of a jet coming towards the camera with perspective foreshortening.  The camera crew lost it in the darkness shortly after that.

http://www.necn.com/11/09/10/Mysterious-missile-launched-off-Californ/landing_scitech.html?blockID=348833&feedID=4213

The most likely flight is US Aiways flight 808 from Hawaii to Phoenix.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE808

US Airways flight 808, at around 5PM PST (Sunset)

I snapped the above web image at around 5:05PM today, about the same time as the video was taken yesterday.

Here’s the actual track from the 8th:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE808/history/20101108/1955Z/PHNL/KPHX

And here’s a photo I took (Nov 9th) two minutes earlier from Santa Monica.  I think it’s the same flight, just 24 hours later.  Note that the angle is exactly the same as the Dec 31st contrail that produced the original “missile” story.

Contrail from flight 808

Obviously the video would have to have been taken from way off to the right in this photo (I’m looking South West). The chopper would have been somewhere like Torrance.

[Update again]
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/11/cameraman-who-filmed-mystery-missile-describes-spectacular-sight.html

The cameraman reports:

Cameraman Gil Leyvas shot video of a luminous point hurtling through the sky followed by a long vapor trail. He said he was aboard the television station’s helicopter shooting footage of the sunset over the ocean about 5:15 p.m when he noticed the spiral-shaped vapor trail and zoomed in to get a better look.

The onboard camera showed a plume twisting up from the horizon and narrowing as it climbed into the sky near Catalina Island, about 35 miles west of Los Angeles, he said.

“Whatever it was, it was spinning up into the sky kind of like a spiral,” and was easy to distinguish from condensation trails from jets, he said. “It was quite a sight to see. It was spectacular.”

I suspect what he saw (which can only be what is on the video, I’d like to see it in HD) is the twisting of the contrails, this can be quite dramatic, especially from such a head-on angle. See this video of a similar perspective, and note the swirling twists in the contrails directly behind the jet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl6iR7w7a_Q

Here’s a grab from that video, showing the twist, and how it as accented by low sun.

Twisting contrails in low sun.

Liem Bahneman gives this excellent description of how flight AWE808 exactly matches the observations, including producing a near identical contrail the next day (which I also photographed, from Santa Monica, above)

This pretty much explains it.

And here’s some excellent points from a real rocket scientist, posting as “Michael”:

I’d like to add to all the evidence above that it was just a jet, because the plume is nothing like a rocket plume to the trained eye. I was a rocket safety inspector for 3 years, have seen countless launches and failures, and have a master’s degree in Astronautical Engineering. Here’s why it’s not a rocket:

It’s too slow (<— biggest reason).
There’s no engine flare.
There’s no expansion of the plume (as the chamber pressure exceeds the atmospheric pressure more and more during flight).
There’s no staging event.
There’s no sunset striations across the plume (which would look like this: http://tinyurl.com/2vklwu5).
In the wide shot there’s two contrails (off each wing!) instead of one.
The plume at the plane is twirling in different directions (very un-rocket-like).
The plume at the plane is twirling too much — that only happens in the case of a motor burn-through, which is a failure mode, meaning it would be seconds from exploding if it were a rocket.
The wind-blown plume is all wrong, vertical plumes go through several different wind shear layers, which makes it look very different than what the video shows.

The apparent direction of the jet is a bit of an illusion, as the trail is greatly distorted by the winds at altitude, which can also vary greatly from place to place. At 37,000 feet the wind can easily be in the 50-100 mph range.

Richard Warren of Los Angeles shot four close-up photos of the trail from a fixed position in Lon Beach. I’ve combined them here into one photo, where you can see the trail move with the wind, and the actual path that the plane takes is much more obviously passing to the south of Long Beach, matching flight 808.

And the fact that it’s a plane is way more apparent once it stops making a contrail (which is due to it moving between two regions of air – it’s colder and/or more humid out to sea than inland)

Richard took a fifth shot at a wider angle that shows the greater context. The jet is still visible as a dark speck (it’s still got a very short contrail). There’s also a very impressive crepuscular “edge” shadow that’s probably cast by part of the contrail that is over the horizon.

711 Comments

  1. Craig Halbert / Nov 10 2010 12:43 am
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    I’ve seen dozens of live missile launches and this was absolutely not a contrail.

  2. NoJoe / Nov 10 2010 12:44 am
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    Hehe, my medication:

    – Lack of sleep
    – Bit of a sugar high from too much Halloween candy
    – Mildly hungry
    – HUGE dose of tedious mind-less data-entry at the moment.

    [TWITCH]

    –NoJoe

  3. Uncinus / Nov 10 2010 12:50 am
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    And for those suspicious of the sudden appearance of this blog, it’s because my server died under the load. I’ve resurrected it (KeepAlive Off seems to be key)

    http://contrailscience.com/

    Lots of interesting chemtrail stuff, if you like that type of thing.

  4. Contrail Myass / Nov 10 2010 12:51 am
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    You’re fucking stupid. If what you claim it true, all you would have to do is identify the airliner you claim created this contrail, which you cannot do, because it’s not an airliner, and you are a giant fucking stupid squid.

  5. riffenberg / Nov 10 2010 12:51 am
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    You can see it moving and you can see the missle at the tip. and a contrail isn’t verticle from the gound up.

  6. Uncinus / Nov 10 2010 12:54 am
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    The Sun is setting now in Los Angeles. Run outside and have a look at the contrails over the Ocean. Take some photos.

  7. Beth / Nov 10 2010 12:55 am
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    Comment here:

    Mike / Nov 10 2010 12:37 am

    WINS.

    I totally knew the conspiracy theorists would go totally apesh*t with this story, and they did not let me down.
    *clicks over to prisonplanet.com to laugh at the lunatics*

    Thank you, Uncinus, for your work here.

  8. NoJoe / Nov 10 2010 12:55 am
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    Contrail Myass –

    We already did (at least a potential one)

    US Airways flight 808 from Honolulu to Phoenix.

    So there. 🙂

    –NoJoe

  9. MikeC / Nov 10 2010 12:56 am
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    So I’m being asked to choose between:

    1/ An airliner with a contrail, made to look thicker than usual because it is flying towards the camera, and appearing to “come out of the sea” because it came from over the horizon. Data for this includes several known simiar examples, a known flight in the area doing the right path at the right time, and lack of anything unusual on FAA ATC tapes.

    vs

    2/ An unknown SLBM launch undetected by anyone, evidence for which is “I seen some rocket launches and they look like this – honest”.

    Hmm…..

    I’ll have to think about it.

  10. MikeC / Nov 10 2010 1:00 am
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    OK – I had to go to the loo ‘cos I thought someone on here must be taking the piss……I’ll go with 1 thank y’all.

  11. huffinpuff / Nov 10 2010 1:01 am
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    Well, if this is a jetplane, but there are no flight records, or radar records, etc of this 24 hours later, of a plane in this area, it means the FAA has some ‘splainin to do.
    How the heck can a jetplane be flying in one of the most heavily air congested metro areas in the world ( LA ) and there is no record of this. The FAA would need to have heads roll to allow jetplanes to fly like this, with no flight records. That’s not safe skies for an already air flight jittery public.

  12. BillyBob / Nov 10 2010 1:02 am
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    Uh, scuse me… The military can track from satellites any launch of an ICBM. 😉

  13. Contrail Myass / Nov 10 2010 1:05 am
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    Hey NoJoe. You’re a stupid squid too, because you don’t know shit whether this was a US Airways flight or not, since you have no fucking hard facts whatsoever. Further more, if there is so much atmosphere for contrail creation, then why is this the only fucking “airplane” that produced a contrail.

    There sure are a lot of gooberment douchebags with too much time on their hands posting ridiculous FUD to contradict what any intelligent person can see with their own eyes. Yes. Leave it to our government to act like everyone is a bunch of gullible idiots. Right.

  14. NoJoe / Nov 10 2010 1:06 am
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    huffinpuff –

    Ooookay, look at my previous postings. Especially this one: NoJoe / Nov 9 2010 9:10 pm .

    Though there is another question: Why can’t the FAA or someone from the government come out and say “We’re pretty sure it was just an airplane, probably US Airways 808”. WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE ME WHO POINTS THIS OUT?? They should be able to handle this kind of public relations stuff on their own… 🙂 Hehe.

    Time to head home and cook dinner with the Missus. Bye all!

    –NoJoe

  15. NoJoe / Nov 10 2010 1:07 am
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    EDIT,

    Thanks Unicus. 🙂

  16. BillyBob / Nov 10 2010 1:13 am
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    And the really funny thing is a local weatherman (and they are always wrong) said years ago, you could tell how much humidity was in the air by how long the jet contrails were.
    Hmmm, if an idiot that can’t get ONE forecast correct knows that much?
    Well, I guess, what does this tell us about you all being scientific about contrails?
    Seems the ones that have NEVER looked in the sky, are just blowing off! 😉

  17. bob / Nov 10 2010 1:16 am
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    Holy Cow! Really??? Contrails??? Even after a missile designer says “That’s a big missile!”

    This missile sighting ain’t Chicken Little yelling nonsense, it’s friggin Paul Revere!!!

  18. Contrail Myass / Nov 10 2010 1:17 am
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    Out of all the airplanes that fly in and out of LAX, and THIS IS THE ONLY AIRPLANE that produced a contrail at the time. What a fucking ludicrous joke.

  19. BillyBob / Nov 10 2010 1:19 am
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    yo, bob.

    See previous post regarding the tracking of ICBM launches.
    Were you born yesterday? 😉

  20. filecabinet20036 / Nov 10 2010 1:21 am
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    I’m the skeptical scientific type and I understand your perspective hypothesis, but this does NOT look like a contrail to me. It does not resemble the New Year’s contrail or other examples you cite.

    Sorry. There is something more unusual going on here, and no, I’m not suggesting UFOs. We know, for example, that North Korea is actively trying to build sub-launched missiles. I’m not saying it was that either. Obviously we don’t know, but the contrail hypothesis seems implausible.

  21. BillyBob / Nov 10 2010 1:23 am
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    Dear Contrail,

    If you were not a child, you could respond without being vulgar!
    Please grow up soon! 😉

  22. Jen / Nov 10 2010 1:23 am
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    Today, I saw a contrail in Houston that looked exactly the same as the video. I live in a flight path of Houston Intercontinental. Some people are going off the deep end over this. It’s jet contrail. No doubt in my mind.

  23. Matt / Nov 10 2010 1:24 am
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    The reason the military is quiet about it is because it is a weather modification experiment by NASA. Those are not contrails but released barium/aluminum chaff from KC-135 tankers that are modifying the jet stream with HAARP in Alaska. These experiments have been going on since the 1970’s and have become a daily occurence starting in 1998. The trails are sporadic and can occur when humidity is low. These are what many call chemtrails. Congressman Dennis Kucinich tried to stop chemtrail spraying. There are websites dedicated to the study of chemtrails. Unfortunately, they have been sabotaged by nut jobs connecting them to alien beings.

  24. Sharpshooter / Nov 10 2010 1:25 am
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    Even being (just east of Phoenix) a few hundred miles away, I can see missile launches from White Sands in New Mexico.

    The other day I thought I saw one in the early morning, as it appeared to be going strait up. It turned out to be a commercial airlines that just so happened to be coming straight at my location. After a good ten minutes, it was straight overhead, so the illusion is easily explained.

  25. Dave Alpert / Nov 10 2010 1:26 am
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    As an aircraft approaches from the west, it could make a contrail similar to this and the sun gllinting off the fuselage would make a bright glint like that of a rocket motor burn…

    Some flights from Mexico take that route.

    Watch for like “TACA International Airlines” flying altitude 8850 feet from Mexico,etc.
    http://www.flightradar24.com/

  26. fatback / Nov 10 2010 1:32 am
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  27. Scott / Nov 10 2010 1:33 am
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    How does this explain the orange exhaust plumes seen starting around 0:45?

    Either the rocket or the jet explanation seem equally plausible to me. (And the the explanations for either are equally interesting)

  28. Jonathan Cramer / Nov 10 2010 1:33 am
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    Unicus, you are a complete gate-keeper. Have you seen the documentary, What In The World Are They Spraying? I’m sure you haven’t. This is a done deal. Chemtrails/Aerosol Operations are on record, and documented. This very well could be a chemtrail spray, which occasionally starts vertically, then flattens out when they hit the proper altitude. 193 Nations Ban Geo-Engineering last week. Maybe you could google that headline. Oh, wait, I forgot to say, they U.S. declined to ban geo-engineering.

  29. Dave / Nov 10 2010 1:34 am
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    Come to think of it. . . has anyone seen balloon boy today?

  30. macegr / Nov 10 2010 1:37 am
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    Jet airliners arriving and leaving LAX would not leave contrails, because by the time they are visible, they’re already too low to leave contrails. An airplane flying OVER LAX…for example, flight 808…would definitely be high enough to leave a contrail. That’s why this may have been the only plane (despite the many landing and taking off at LAX) traveling at the exact altitude and angle, at the right time and weather conditions, to create this illusion.

  31. Thor / Nov 10 2010 1:40 am
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    @Jonathon Cramer-

    pretty sure Uncinus has seen the movie:

    http://contrailscience.com/what-in-the-world-are-they-spraying/

  32. Uncinus / Nov 10 2010 1:42 am
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    I’ve fixed my web server, and so will be posting updates there. To avoid confusion I’m going to lock this comment thread, but please feel free to come over to the other one:

    http://contrailscience.com/a-problem-of-perspective-in-the-oc-new-years-eve-contrail/

  33. Uncinus / Nov 10 2010 2:14 am
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    Or not… carry on.

  34. Barkley Pontree / Nov 10 2010 2:18 am
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    maybe it was a center fuel tank of a 747?

    I think a Chinese sub snuck into our waters and sent us a message about the currency situation and the government is never going to admit it. And I don’t buy into the chemtrails government conspiracy or 9/11 conspiracy or any of that crap.

  35. Lemmy Caution / Nov 10 2010 2:24 am
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    I live on the coast just north of LAX – I have an unobstructed view of the Pacific. I saw the ‘trail’ in question. It looked like another jet contrail to me – nothing extraordinary. Having witnessed a number of spectacular launches from Vandenberg, last night’s ‘event’ was notable because of the beautiful colors in the sky at the time.

    There have been a lot of ‘trails’ in the last couple of weeks but not as unique as last night’s.

  36. Scott Methvin / Nov 10 2010 2:28 am
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    I have very good photos from the 12-31-09 launch. One zoom shows it to be a missle. I took the shot from my house in Laguna Beach, 8 miles south of Corona Del Mar. This WAS a missle. I did not see the one yesterday but they look the same to me. I need to get on my other computer and send the pics. Give me about 10 minutes.

  37. Richard / Nov 10 2010 2:28 am
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    NORTH KOREA’S COPY OF THE SUB LAUNCHED “TRIDENT ROCKET”
    WAS TESTED AND IS READY FOR ATTACK.

    CLUELESS US FORCES IN AWE BY OBAMA’S
    LAVISH TRIPS TO NO
    WHERE CAUGHT UNPREPARED .
    NORTH KOREA IS READY TO LAUNCH
    SUB-BASED TRIDENT LIKE MISSILES ON
    SILICON VALLEY !!

    OBAMA’S TRIP WAS A
    DISTRACTION, HE TOOK AS MANY SHIPS AS
    HE COULD SO THE ATTACK COULD BE LAUNCHED
    SUCCESSFULLY, “”OBAMA IS PART OF THE
    ATTACK PLAN. said a Soviet
    Expert.

    “NORAD and USNORTHCOM are aware of
    the unexplained
    contrail reported off
    the coast of Southern California yesterday evening,”
    the agency said in
    a statement. “At this time, we are
    unable to provide specific details,
    but we are working to determine the
    exact nature of this event. We can
    confirm that there is no indication of any
    threat to our nation and we
    will provide more information as it becomes
    available.”

    NORTH KOREA IS A PROXY ATTACKER PAID BY IRAN-VENEZUELA AND
    SYRIA.
    N.KOREA AND OUR ENEMIES WORK
    CLOSELY WITH MUSLIM OBAMA TO DESTROY AMERICA.
    OBAMA
    TOOK AS MANY SHIPS AS POSSIBLE WITH HIM TO DEPLETE THE US NAVY AND OPEN

    OUR COASTS TO ATTACK BY NORTH
    KOREA.

    HERE IS
    PROOF:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfI-x3WwPbk

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