Jet contrails from some angles look like missile trails
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UPDATE – After geting a new photo of the trail, Liam Bahneman told me he was now siding with it being his second choice, UPS902. Having reviewed the evidence, I fully agree that UPS902 is a much better fit than AWE808, especially when viewed against the composite photo.

UPS902 Turns out to be a much better fit
Note to the media – since this was almost certainly Flight UPS902 from Hawaii to Ontario, why not have a camera crew somewhere in the vicinity (does not need to be exact, or a chopper), next time the flight is scheduled to go by, and if the weather is right you’ll see the same trail again. (or check the web cam)
Note to everyone else – If you have photos of the Nov 8 contrail from any angle, please email them to uncinus@gmail.com
[This post was originally from Jan 19th, 2010. I’ve updated it with information about the “Mystery Missile” contrail of Nov 8, 2010, at the bottom of this post. Clearly it’s the same thing]
An interesting contrail cropped up off the coast of San Clemente, Orange County, California on December 31st 2009. The curious shape led some people to think it’s a missile launch, which it does kind of look like (all taken from San Clemente)

"Missile-like" contrail. Note this is the Dec 31st contrail, not the Nov 8th CBS one. That's at the bottom of the post.
This kind of contrail confusion is nothing new. This article appeared in The San Mateo Times, Jan 12, 1950:
Here’s some more shots of the same contrail. Click these for larger images:

The idea that it’s a missile launch comes from three misconceptions. Firstly that the trail is vertical – it’s not, it’s a horizontal trail, at around 32,000 feet (about six miles). It’s the same as this:

This contrail is no more vertical than the road is, and nor are the power lines at 45 degrees. Everything is horizontal – it’s the just the angle you are viewing it from. All of these show horizontal contrails.
Secondly there’s the misconception of direction, that it’s flying away from the viewer, when it’s actually flying towards the viewer. This is because the “base” of the contrail seems wider than the tip. Perspective tells the brain that this mean the base is closer. But actually you can see the base has been greatly spread by the wind. Since it’s so far away the effects of perspective are greatly diminished, meaning the actual width of the contrail is what is creating the illusion. Imagine if a plane with a 100 mile long spreading contrail were coming towards you; what would it look like? It would look exactly like this.
Thirdly there’s the idea that it goes all the way down to the ground. Now that might be true if the Earth was flat, but the Earth is round, and things go beneath the horizon eventually, no matter how high they are. A plane 200 miles away but five miles up is always below the horizon. If the horizon is raised (as it is here, with Catalina Island), then the distance is less. Here’s some math:

This diagram is not to scale, but the math is the same regardless. The solid curved line is the surface of the earth. The dot at the top is San Clemente. The little triangle is Catalina. “d” is the distance to Catalina (d=35 miles). “c” the amount of Catalina that is visible above the horizon (c=0.05 miles, really a bit more, but let’s be conservative). “a” is the altitude of the plane, (a = 6 miles). “r” is the radius of the earth (r=3963 miles).
The green wavy line is the contrail. Notice it’s at a fixed height above the surface of the earth, and is going directly towards the OC.
The point labeled (0,0) is the center of the earth. (0,0) means X=0, Y=0, where X is horizontal and Y is vertical. What we want to know is how far away the plane is, the value x. We do this with cartesian geometry, noting that the lowest visible point of the trail is at the intersection of the dotted line, which is a circle of radius (r+a), hence the equation x^2 + y^2 = (r+a)^2 and the line labeled “sight line”, which is has the equation y=r+x*c/d. Combining these equations to solve for x yields a quadratic equation, which we can solve with Wolfram Alpha:
intersection of (y=r+x*c/d) and (x^2+y^2 = (r+a)^2)
and with the real numbers:
intersection of (y=r+x*c/d) and (x^2+y^2 = (r+a)^2) where a=6 and d=35 and c=0.05 and r=3963
Which gives x = 212, meaning that the bottom of the contrail is around 200 miles away. So if the front of the contrail (the actual aircraft) is somewhere above and behind catalina, then that means the contrail is over 100 miles long. At 500 mph, that means it could have formed in 12-15 minutes, which seems consistent with the descriptions in the discussion above. (feel free to play around with the numbers there to see the affect of various assumptions)
Looking at the satellite image for noon on that day (12/31/2009) and the next day (1/1/2010), we see contrails in approximately the same position, and around 100 miles long, showing it’s quite possible, given the right weather.
Really what makes this odd looking is the position of the people taking the photo. Obviously the same contrail would be visible all the way up the coast, however the only people who though it was really odd were those who were lined up with it, in OC. People in LA would see a dramatic looking contrail, but more obviously just a contrail, so less worthy of writing to the newspaper about. I actually saw it myself, but was in a car, and could only get a poor cell-phone snapshot:

A cell-phone photo I took of the New Year Eve contrail, from an angle that shows it's just a jet contrail
That was from somewhere around San Diamas, on the 210 freeway, so I’m looking South West, probably around 45 degree the the contrail, which you can only see a bit of behind the Home Depot sign. It looked quite impressive at the time. But there are other photos of it from various other angles which show it’s contrail-ness more clearly, here’s one taken from Santa Monica (click photo for original):

The actual New Years Eve contrail, viewed from Santa Monica. This is what the CBS "missile" contrail would have looked like to most people in LA, which is why nobody reported it.
You can see from this angle (and taken a bit earlier) it looks far less interesting, as it’s very apparent it’s just a contrail.
Scott Methvin sent in these two images which shows the contrail in all it’s missile-like glory, but from a better angle.

Same contrail slightly later.
Here’s another angle of the New Year’s Eve contrail, this view is from Corona del Mar, about 20 miles Northeast of San Clemente:
Here’s a similar photo (of a different contrail, obviously) on the same day at the other side of the country:
Here’s some more contrails at sunset (From a very nice set of contrail photos), note how they look exactly the same as sections of the New Year contrail:
[Update Nov 9 2010]
Now here’s the one everyone is actually talking about. From Monday Nov 8th 2010, this time it video taken a local CBS news crew in a helicopter, so they were able to zoom in.
Note it’s pretty much in the same location. Note also it’s not exactly moving at missile speed. Note also it’s practically identical to the photos of plane contrails, above.
And once again millions of people failed to notice, because from any other angle it looked like what it was, a contrail, from a plane. Must be a slow news day, as this went all the way up to Jim Miklaszewski asking people at the pentagon about it.
There are occasional flashes of light, which I think are reflections of the sun off a flat surface on the plane. There’s also portions of the video where a bit of the trail behind the plane seems to glow. I think thats just the last rays of the setting sun lighting that portion of the trail. See Scott Methvin’s photos, above for how the trail can be oddly lit from minute to minute.
Here’s a better video. You can see after about 0:50 it’s out of the contrail-persisting region of air, and is just leaving a short contrail. It’s also now out of the sun. It looks exactly like the short contrails of a jet coming towards the camera with perspective foreshortening. The camera crew lost it in the darkness shortly after that.
The most likely flight is US Aiways flight 808 from Hawaii to Phoenix.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE808
I snapped the above web image at around 5:05PM today, about the same time as the video was taken yesterday.
Here’s the actual track from the 8th:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE808/history/20101108/1955Z/PHNL/KPHX
And here’s a photo I took (Nov 9th) two minutes earlier from Santa Monica. I think it’s the same flight, just 24 hours later. Note that the angle is exactly the same as the Dec 31st contrail that produced the original “missile” story.

Contrail from flight 808
Obviously the video would have to have been taken from way off to the right in this photo (I’m looking South West). The chopper would have been somewhere like Torrance.
[Update again]
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/11/cameraman-who-filmed-mystery-missile-describes-spectacular-sight.html
The cameraman reports:
Cameraman Gil Leyvas shot video of a luminous point hurtling through the sky followed by a long vapor trail. He said he was aboard the television station’s helicopter shooting footage of the sunset over the ocean about 5:15 p.m when he noticed the spiral-shaped vapor trail and zoomed in to get a better look.
The onboard camera showed a plume twisting up from the horizon and narrowing as it climbed into the sky near Catalina Island, about 35 miles west of Los Angeles, he said.
“Whatever it was, it was spinning up into the sky kind of like a spiral,” and was easy to distinguish from condensation trails from jets, he said. “It was quite a sight to see. It was spectacular.”
I suspect what he saw (which can only be what is on the video, I’d like to see it in HD) is the twisting of the contrails, this can be quite dramatic, especially from such a head-on angle. See this video of a similar perspective, and note the swirling twists in the contrails directly behind the jet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl6iR7w7a_Q
Here’s a grab from that video, showing the twist, and how it as accented by low sun.
Liem Bahneman gives this excellent description of how flight AWE808 exactly matches the observations, including producing a near identical contrail the next day (which I also photographed, from Santa Monica, above)
And here’s some excellent points from a real rocket scientist, posting as “Michael”:
I’d like to add to all the evidence above that it was just a jet, because the plume is nothing like a rocket plume to the trained eye. I was a rocket safety inspector for 3 years, have seen countless launches and failures, and have a master’s degree in Astronautical Engineering. Here’s why it’s not a rocket:
It’s too slow (<— biggest reason).
There’s no engine flare.
There’s no expansion of the plume (as the chamber pressure exceeds the atmospheric pressure more and more during flight).
There’s no staging event.
There’s no sunset striations across the plume (which would look like this: http://tinyurl.com/2vklwu5).
In the wide shot there’s two contrails (off each wing!) instead of one.
The plume at the plane is twirling in different directions (very un-rocket-like).
The plume at the plane is twirling too much — that only happens in the case of a motor burn-through, which is a failure mode, meaning it would be seconds from exploding if it were a rocket.
The wind-blown plume is all wrong, vertical plumes go through several different wind shear layers, which makes it look very different than what the video shows.
The apparent direction of the jet is a bit of an illusion, as the trail is greatly distorted by the winds at altitude, which can also vary greatly from place to place. At 37,000 feet the wind can easily be in the 50-100 mph range.
Richard Warren of Los Angeles shot four close-up photos of the trail from a fixed position in Lon Beach. I’ve combined them here into one photo, where you can see the trail move with the wind, and the actual path that the plane takes is much more obviously passing to the south of Long Beach, matching flight 808.

And the fact that it’s a plane is way more apparent once it stops making a contrail (which is due to it moving between two regions of air – it’s colder and/or more humid out to sea than inland)
Richard took a fifth shot at a wider angle that shows the greater context. The jet is still visible as a dark speck (it’s still got a very short contrail). There’s also a very impressive crepuscular “edge” shadow that’s probably cast by part of the contrail that is over the horizon.

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See it all the time in Houston but didn’t think to take a video and call it a missile. I guess I will have to start now…maybe I can sell the footage to some conspiricy websites.
I just want to add to my earlier post. I do understand the math and the idea of perspective that the author of this blog did a very good job of explaining. Being a fan of photography and video, I am quite familiar with perspective. Again, if I were just looking at still pics, I would say commercial airline; however, I believe the video shows a much more convincing aspect that this a missile of some sort. Consider the glow and the pattern of the plume as it leaves the exhaust. I’ve seen thousands of planes in my life leave contrails and I’ve seen the sun reflect off of aircraft…that video was in now way similar.
After reading further articles, I recognize that some other experts and scientists are not sure what it was, or are now convinced that it was a commercial airliner. So…there we have it…the experts don’t agree. I guess that makes us all experts. But really, does this not match a familiar pattern the way the media and the government deal with uncomfortable situations. Kind of like all the holes and scandals in the global warming science. “Yeah, we admit some of the evidence used to prove AGW is bad…but, the conclusion is solid.” They always seem to be able to march out all these so-called experts on cue to tell you what you saw and heard isn’t what you thought it was. “Nothing to see here.”
Some may say I am a “conspiracy theorist nutjob”. I might respond by telling them to get their head out of their fifth point of contact.
It is a missle launch. Jet contrails form well behind the aircraft at that altitude. Check it out, you can see the vehicle out in front of the forming contrail if you just go outside and look up at the next contrail you see. It takes a short time for the hot jet exhaust to cool forming the contrail. If you ever watched a shuttle launch you have seen the massive cloud that forms the instant the engines are ignited. This cloud is not a contrail but actually the smoke exhaust from the solid rocket boosters. There is no gap in time from the exhaust leaving the rocket and the contrail forming. This is the case of the mystery launch I can see no aircraft out in front of the contrail. The missle is concealed in the exhaust cloud. This is a solid rocket fuel missle.
For the “missile” believers, I’d just like to redraw your attention to the post by Liem Bahneman. He used a Newport Beach webcam, 24 hours after the first contrail, and the shot shows an identical shaped contrail in the same position.
http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808
Depending on the weather, it’s quite possible that AWE808 will leave the same contrail again. Perhaps CBS could send their chopper up around 5-5:50 today?
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Contails can be very misleading, especially when the sun is close to the horizon or slightly below it.
In 2003 somebody took a photo of what was initially thought to be a fireball caused by an exploded meteor. It later turned out to be an unusual looking contrail lit by the setting sun. See http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031001.html
I’ve been on a commercial flight when a missile has been launched nearby. It is very obvious (and impressive). How come no-one in the air at that time has come forward to announce they saw this “missile”. If it was a missile, people in the air would have confirmed the sighting. There would certainly be photos taken through aircraft windows. Since no-one has come forward with those photos, I’m declaring contrail.
The 2 top pictures of contrails, the one from Dec 31 and Nov 8, are exactly the same contrail. Not similar, exactly the same one. The pictures down the page labeled “Dec 31st from Laguna Beach” and “slightly later” are the exact same contrail as the top 2 pictures.
If it was an airplane travelling toward the viewer, it would get larger. The reporter who took the video said it disappeared.
Uncinus,
I don’t think the missile believers here are arguing that jet contrails do not sometimes look like missile launches…especially in still pics. Then again, what would a missile launch look like at the same time of day from the same distance as the original still pic? What persuaded me was the zoom in on the actual video footage…clearly showing a consistent flickering fiery glow and dense bellowing plume of exhaust gases. To me…the contrail simply looks denser than any of the other pics being shown to suggest that it is simply a commercial airliner. As far as a new contrail appearing 24 hours later in the same area, I wouldn’t mind seeing video with zoom. It is also not being denied that missiles do get fired from that vicinity. Which indicates to me that just because you have a missile launch in the vicinity does not mean you will have loads of eyewitnesses and video footage. If that were the case, we could compare the contrails right now.
OK…OK maybe I’m stretching this a little thin 😉
The DOD does NOT have to explain everything the news media CAN’T. The isn’t enough budget money to rebut unlimited stupidity. I’m reminded of the CNN host who pointed to the Galapagos on a map and called it Hawaii and also said “10 meters, what’s that in English?”.
Jetpilot1: You forgot the most important part of the formula. “Call within the next 30 minutes and we’ll send you another one FREE! Just pay for shipping and handling.”
I think the most important part of the formula is actually “So you don’t forget, call before midnight tonight!” because those who believe that 1) they recreate the ads live for every airing and 2) shut down the phone banks on the other continent that takes the orders at midnight…3) midnight your time are the most lovable, skinnable gullibles on the planet.
A missile launch in the early evening will show that as the missile rises into direct sunlight the smoke trail gets brighter, not darker. I have personally witnessed several evening launches from Vandenburg, and this effect always presents. the video and photos of the Nov 8 “launch” actually show the smoke trail getting darker. this suggests that it is a jet contrail, with the jet moving away from the sun.
James, it depends on the type of missile. There are a buch of photos of actual missile launches here: http://www.air-and-space.com/vafb.htm
Of note, the engine flames are VERY apparent in real missiles. The video of Nov 8 jus seems to show A) some reflection of flat surfaces causing flashes, and B) times where portions of the contrail are illuminated by the sun.
Bobby, most of the photos are from Dec 31 2009. The Nov 8 contrail is just shown later down the post, in the frame capture from the video.
Thanks, this explains, why so many people believe in UFS’s. They just have no idea about unexplained natural phenomenas. But a quick explanation: E.T. was back.
what the? do you seriously have this much free time to try and brainwash the public? i believe nothing you posted. good luck convincing people. it’s not working!
KFB and phyllis are so correct on this.
But it is very interesting to read how easily some sheep will believe anything.
I just can’t figure out if they enjoy being paranoid themselves,
or if they are trying to frighten other sheep. 😉
I’ve seen a million jet contrails in my lifetime. This was not one of them.
I have seen a million jet contrails in my life. This was one of them.
Yeah – I was convinced it was a missile, I read this blog this morning (well skimmed it), saw what Michio Kaku had to say about it, and then re-watched the video with the assumption that the object was actually coming at me – it all adds up to the fact that this was indeed an airplane. Go ahead, re-watch the video – it’ll all make sense…
Even a V2 launch from WWII shows how fast a missile is compared to a jetliner of today!
Certainly, it makes me think is it ok to blast such amounts of kerosene into the atmosphere?
What goes up, must come down.
Contrails. Riiiiiiiight…
“434/10(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.
2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL’S SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE
IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN
NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA
SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
Click to access NtM_45-2010.pdf
OK, now that the truth has finally begun to penetrate all the thick skulls out there, can we all get back to our lives? Rememeber, you people have cheesy informercial products to buy from me. You shouldn’t be noodling around on the internet right now — you should be watching TV! Buy buy buy!
Gryphon, that’s just a generalized warning. Obviously they do test missiles in that area. But this was not one of them, otherwise they would have said so.
Surely you’re aware that the “251001Z OCT 2010” title on that notice means 25 October 2010, 1001 Zulu time, and that it’s referring to the time range of Monday, 25 October through Friday, 29 October, so I guess the question would be: Is there a similar notice for this week?
Of course, I’m leaving off the unspoken question, which is: Do they even have calendars in your neck of the woods?
Some military is testing a stealth sub equipped with a new invisible laser that can fry engines from far far away. The recent series of airline jet engine burn outs, the new Boeing 787 test forced to land due to smoke, and the immobilized cruise ship engine fire the morning the missile was launched. I pray that it’s the US harmlessly testing and sending a signal to other nations, not the other way around.
Oh, Bill. Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill. Please try to be less frightened by everyday events. We’re concerned that you’re going to get so terrified that you’ll start soiling yourself, and who wants that? That’s right, none of us want that, because we’re all in this together. Everything will be fine, you’ll see.
Bill, Does your aluminum foil hat protect you from these new weapons?
I need to try one if it does. If not, is there a new hat I can use for my own defense? 😉
Aluminum? Aluminum? Jiminy Cricket, ain’t that the stuff that gives you Alps…Alz…you know, that disease?
I think it was just an airplane contrail. But it wouldn’t hurt to learn Chinese, and to perfect the use of chopsticks…just in case.
Unicus,
You keep referring to flashes…but the video I see shows a constistent flickering glow with a flash (stage separation?). I am not talking about parts of the contrail being illuminated. This glow is at the tip of the contrail and moves with the tip. I understand that parts of the contrail would be illuminated by the setting sun according to cloud cover and angle to the sun and position of the person observing. I agree that a reflection would be a flash and only a flash because of the changing position of the flying object in reference to the sun and the person observing…kind of like a person standing on a mountainside giving signals with a mirror to a far away person. Change the position of the mirror or the person and the flash goes away.
Now, as far as the fire from a missile being very visible, that depends on the angle the person is observing from. If the missile is flying in an arche away from you, then you would see a much smaller profile of the flame and some of the plume may obstruct the view.and give more of a flickering effect. That’s why it would be very interesting to see earlier video footage of this contrail in CA.
I do appreciate the link showing several missile launches. I will admit that most of them do not create a very wide contrail either, but as you go down the page you do find pics that resemble the shape of the contrail in question…of course different lighting conditions.
While your explanation of the contrail is interesting, it also makes assumptions. For example, you are assuming that the object is indeed coming toward the camera. I don’t think the video supports or disproves this assumption. The problem with 2D pics and video is that depth is difficult determine.
To be honest, what it is in the video doesn’t really matter to me…it disturbs me more that many people try to shut down debate by name-calling and ridicule. It is so typical of what is going on in America. “Don’t agree with me…you’re an idiot nutjob.”
Jet contrails?! Puleez! That’s crazy talk! Pseudoscience at best. That was so obviously a missile set off by the aliens. I should know, they took me up in their spaceship:
http://robustwanderlust.blogspot.com/2010/10/just-visiting.html
Nothing to worry about though. They were just having a little fun by taking over the missiles in our missile defense system. They didn’t mean any earthlings no harm and they apologize for all the fuss they caused. They promise it won’t happen again.
Seems like it was a real missile test:
Click to access NtM_45-2010.pdf
Just do a spectrum analysis on the contrail. Missiles and jets use different fuels thus they have different spectrum signatures.
Seems it wasn’t. That general notice covered last week, Monday through Friday, but we’ll excuse you this once. See that it doesn’t happen again.
The appearance of the contrail coming from the object doesn’t match up with what occurs with airplanes. With jets, the separate trails from each engine merge and mix, sometimes looking like 4 lanes of traffic merging into one. This trail starts out thick and fluffy and if anything only gets organized some distance from the object. No way jet engines could put out that much gas/particulate that quickly.
I’m sure those who believes what they saw was a missile launch believes NASA staged the moon landing too, i’m 100% confident to say, that no missile launch. like what unicus had mentioned, the object in the video is moving far too slowly, doesn’t emit a bright enough exhaust and the trails of a rocket/missile launch is tightly spaced unlike those shown in the video.
here are some launch videos of surface to air missiles
Patriot – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFNOLHMOZWM&feature=related
Rapier – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3w822n8xOk&feature=related
Spada – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T_nakxi9h8&feature=related
Tomahawk – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9FUuFDvRAs
Trident – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl37UZvFsz0&feature=related
NL
Can you now explain how someone made a rocket or missile fly as slow as an airplane?